An Interesting Position (Part 2)
Mar 7th, 2010 by Randy Toman
I had a couple of comments on my article http://www.lehighvalleyconservative.com/an-interesting-position/ and I would like to say a few more words regarding what I wrote.
Western Civilization evolved out of Biblical Law and this country was founded by people who knew the Bible and God. They knew the difference between religion and spiritual belief of how they were to get into Heaven. The separation of church and state is about as ignorant a positioning of the people as I have ever heard. You can’t separate people (the body state) from a belief, they will believe something, everything is a belief/religion of or in something, and people created by God are believers in something. You may not believe you were created by God but that belief changes nothing, you are still of the nature that you must believe in something.
Now here is the shocker, the founders knew the difference between religious teaching; IE: God’s Law and Western Civilization and witnessing of a Spiritual nature, telling people of Jesus Christ. They knew the government had to be run as part of God’s Biblical Law and that didn’t mean every 5 minutes someone was troubling you with some sermon about Jesus Christ, although that should not be viewed as trouble but the grace of God but I’ll save that for another time. They also knew it was the work of the Holy Spirit that was going to bring you to Jesus Christ, so let’s get it strait, the governing body needs the Bible and God’s Law, you need the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ. Now if and/or whether the Spirit and you come together is between you and God not me or the government. Separation of what and how you “Spiritually” believe is between you and your god and the government has no business sticking their over bloated nose into what church or what church you don’t go to, it is none of their business. But let me say one more time before I move to my last point “Western Civilization” hinges on Biblical Law and must be the grounding and make-up of the system period—-end of discussion.
The Christian Religion is the only religion that has “Love” as the most important tenet and toleration of other religions, take a look around the country and you can find almost any religion that is on the face of the earth right here in the good old USA. Now if you don’t believe me, try living in any other country were Christianity doesn’t dominate and they don’t have Biblical, Constitutional, Bill of Right Law.
Now if you don’t think you want to preserve Christianity, Western Civilization, and our constitution I would suggest you just continue as we are going and you will arrive in short order to another type of governing body without God and the Christian Religion. I might also add if the people abandon God don’t pray to Him when you find things have fallen apart for He will not hear you and just might laugh at you, for God will not be mocked.
We Shall See if the professor at the 9/12 meeting was right or wrong in his claim that God and the Christian Religion didn’t found this country, for we are about to enter into a Hell called Progressive Government with no Constitution, no rights, no freedoms and no God or His Christ and don’t bet those are to strong of words
WE SHALL SEE and shortly
Thank you folks for having enough interest in what I had to say, that you took the time to write. THANKS
Randy,
Great article!!
Enjoyed our time at dinner last night!
Glenn
The actual question that Dr. Bernstein was asked was, What did the Judeo-Christian tradition have to do with “Individual Rights?” Dr. Bernstein answered correctly “Nothing.” Judaism was active on the Earth for roughly 4,000 years prior to America’s founding, but it never created Individual Rights. Christianity was active on the Earth for 1,776 years prior to America’s founding, but never created Individual Rights.
Why was it only 234 years ago in 1776 that Individual Rights were codified into the structure of government? The reason was because the Enlightenment thinkers like John Locke (1632 - 1704) recognized and wrote about the sovereign Individual being the fundamental political unit of power in a nation and about the absolute necessity that government protect each individual’s Rights as its sole reason for existing. It was these Enlightenment ideas that led to Individual Rights in 1776. It was not Judaism or Christianity.
Certainly America’s Founders were religious men, but so were most government leaders and Monarchs (Divine Right of Kings) for 1776 years of Christianity and 4,000 years of Judaism, but none of them created Individual Rights. Religious government leaders did create horrendous persecution of each other’s religions in Europe which is what American colonists came here to escape. Religious government leaders did create a 1,000 year long Dark Age, several Inquistions, witch burnings, the burning at the stake of intellectuial dissenters like Giordano Bruno, and the threatening of the life of scientists like Galileo. However, these long centuries of religious leaders did not create Individual Rights.
It was Enlightenment ideas that created the sovereign individual as the fundamental political unit of power and created Individual Rights which brought with it religious tolerance because each man now had the Right to worship any religion or no religion as he saw fit.
Great article Randy… I feel sorry for these Intelligensia men who believe God is not involved in the affairs of men.
Men, left to themselves will make a mess of things without a Godly foundation and His principals
I think we see it all around us, more and more. The Nancy Pelosi’s of this world, and worse yet, the faceless nameless bureaucrats who toil away in executive agencies, have taken upon themselves the mantle of God, to decide for all what is best for us. And they are not, in turn, aware of any God directing them. That is how “secularization” of the nation plays out in the end, isn’t it?
History has shown countless times that Men, left to godliness and theocratic governments, will make a mess of things.
You may worship as you please in this great country precisely because ours is not a God-run government. Separation between church and state is healthy for the best that religion ever had to offer. If there really is a loving God, I doubt he, himself, would have it any other way.
What kind of God would prefer automatons over reasonable individuals who value conducting their lives thoughtfully?