Paths and Directions Continued (4#)
Jul 25th, 2012 by Randy Toman
“Unlike governments of the past, the American Fathers set up a government divorced from religion.” Larry Somers {see “Paths and Directions (3#) Comment 1}.
This is impossible unless by definition—-you say—-What your belief system (worldview) is and it is not what you believe as your gods would dictate. All governments construct their laws and legal system through a belief system and some sort of god. There are only two basic systems from which you can build;
1/ Man with his own reason and logic with a false god and/or idol (could have more then one god or idol as did the ancient pagans)
2/ The God of Heaven with Jesus Christ as Lord, with the Holy Bible as the rule book.
There can be no other ways of developing a government with rules. The various types Socialism, Communism, Marxism Etc. all hinge as atheistic and with man as the reasoning person using his logic to set things up.
“There is no doubt that Calvinism played a great role in the founding of America!” Mr. Somers says;
1/ So I say 1620-1776 developed the culture of the New World thereby contributing the thought and belief as to what was to go into the newly formed government.
2/ You will not get any argument out of me as to the Heathen Enlightenment that crept into the founding documents.
Ted R. Weiland “Bible Law vs. The U. S. Constitution” 2011 Pg. 3
“ The Constitution is not the Christian document we have been told it is, but actually conflicts with Christianity and, in many locations, is hostile to Yahweh’s morality.”
Next paragraph:
“How can a document that promotes the will of the people over Yahwah’s will for His people, be the answer to America’s current national crisis?”
Ted R. Weiland makes that argument and if I am allowed to make this point, the Founding Fathers excluded the Christian Religion but not religion. They inserted “We the people”—–man——as their god, according to Weiland and I believe him to be correct, Jesus Christ plays no part in the document. Anything in the way of Biblical teaching that is inserted into the “Constitution” at the convention is by culture acceptance and forced in——-not by convention agreement because they (the heathens) knew those words could do nothing for the Christian position—as is the case today with the abortion issue.
The building up of Calvinism from 1620-1776 was steady and strong within the culture and the citizenship, until it peaked in the late 1700’s. From the 1787 Constitutional Convention with its decided mark of drift away from Calvinism, as we can say that was Christianity’s starting point——-of a long decline and steady shift away from God’s Law and into the world of emotionalism with all types of so call spirituality. What kept the Constitution strong was the predominance of Christian culture with its focus on righteousness. We can almost mark the exact dates when Christianity was dealt death blows in doctrinal twisting and perverting, not only of the Gospel but the His Law.
The Jefferson letter to the New England Baptist preacher was complete and devastating to the truth in the “Separation of Church and State” and would only sit there until years later some progressive individual and culture would accept what twisting and meaning it could be used for. This would prove to be an effective way of sealing off God’s law and the teaching of His word from government thus completing the circle in the writing of our Constitution to the eviction of Christianity from government.
Allow me to mention but one “ism” that came out of the enlightenment thinking and burst on to the religious scene here in America in the 19th century. Calvinism, had slid almost out of the church picture and it’s pulpits with the paths and their directions about to make a major shift in the wrong direction and jump to a path of complete destruction. I give you (Theological) “Liberalism”
“ A movement in Protestant theology since the 19th century that is dominated by the goal of modifying Christianity so as to make it consistent with modern culture and science. Liberalism rejects the traditional view of scripture as an authoritative propositional revelation from god in favor of a view that sees revelation as a record of the evolving religious experiences of humankind. It sees Jesus more as ethical teacher and model rather than as divine atoner and redeemer.”
“Pocket Dictionary of Apologetics and Philosophy of Religion” C. Stephen Evans 2002 Pg. 68
This liberal theology took two major issues out of the way and surely placed us on the wrong path.
1/ Jesus Christ was no long Lord and there was no law that could not be questioned—including the Constitution, with Emotionalism the order of the day.
2/ It opened the doors for the “Social Gospel” making the government partners with the church——government could now replace the church as the charity giver IE: The beginning of the welfare state.
Again I ask you—are we on the right path going in the correct direction? Have we not lost the teachings of Christ and the Bible as presented through the Reformers, the Puritans and the Pastors of that period (1620-1776)
We Shall See—-shortly—-Don’t you think??????
Randy

Still, I don’t get Weiland’s reasoning.
The title for my car does not mention Jesus Christ.
Does that make it an anti-Christian document?
Does that mean that it does not uphold the Biblical principle of property ownership?
If it said “Jesus Christ is Lord”, would it be a better title?
If we order a sandwich for lunch, are we being unChristian for not saying “the Bible says that food is a blessing from God and that we are to eat and drink to His glory, please give me a BLT”? Would we be more “Christian” if we ordered it that way?
We actually diminish the Lordship of Christ by this line of reasoning, because we are saying that nothing is God’s by default, the only thing that is God’s is that for which we specifically make a claim.
What am I missing here?
Arrow,
To the Puritan the unity of religion and politics was so axiomatic that very few Puritans would have grasped the idea that church and state could be distinct, let alone separated with the idea of toleration. In the period of 1620-late 1700’s the New England Puritan would not think it possible to segregate a man’s spiritual life from his communal life and John Winthrop viewed both the civil and ecclesiastical forms of government to be hinged together with equal importance and tied directly to a covenant with God.
Today—–Puritanism is viewed mainly as a religious and ethical movement. But with this conception and false understanding of the philosophy of Puritanism corrected we can easily understand how as the enlightenment thinking of Europe crept in the Puritan’s fought hard to keep their covenant relationship alive were civil and ecclesiastical forms of government were joined together
Roger Williams and Thomas Jefferson fought for church and state separation but for different reasons with Jefferson’s enlightenment reasoning prevailing, both in the Constitution and permeating through out the culture. Where the Lord sets himself over a people, He frames them unto a willing and voluntary subjection unto Him that they desire nothing more then to be under His government. This was not the case as the men came together in Philadelphia in 1787. The reasoning of the day was not of the Puritans but of a highly intelligent, learned group of men and in some cases God fearing men.
Ben Franklin said; “No longer virtuous, no longer free.”
Therefore the question is?
How much longer will we be free if we continue on these paths and direction we are going?
Last, it may not be critical in asking on what grounds was the country founded for it may not matter—–history will have written we have past into tomorrow. Gone, for liberty is to those that are Good, Just and Honest and without God and Jesus Christ it will be impossible to be good and still remain.
Randy
Randy,
Thanks for a thorough explanation. Lots to think about here. Perhaps I will come further in agreement with some thought about it.
But still, I wonder why we would assume that writing a constitution where people, through their states give power to a legislative body is somehow humanistic, because as I said earlier, it would be rather silly to say that “we the people look to God to work out the budget for the federal government”.