By: The Outsider

The Outsider — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:00:45 +0000

Teaparty51, I agree with much of what you are saying about the wrongs that have occurred in our past, by our politicians and our churches. I disagree with you on several points, however. God does have the power to reek havoc on us for our sins and maybe he has. We can’t know that for sure, can we?
You may be voting for Obama out of spite for what some Christians or politicians did in the past, not for real love and understanding of Obama and his positions on the issues. Even Obama rejects what his pastor has said, which has been very rascist against whites and derogoratory against the Republican party and even the United States. The greatest “real” advances the blacks have made, have been made under the Republicans. Even Martin Kuther King was a Republican for those very reasons. Their own people sold them into slavery and as rough as they had it here, it would have been rougher had they stayed in their own country. About the church, when I was a teenager growing up in the 50’s, we had 5 priests in our parish. Two of them were homosexuals and one was an alcoholic. When I would go to confession, his breath would almost knock me out. I didn’t leave the church because of what they did, they should have been the ones that left. They disgraced the church, not me. Eventually, they were forced to leave the church. I also knew of few Rabbi’s that were involved in child sex and pornography. The newspapers said nothing of them, only the Christian churches, especially the Catholic churches, were scathed by the media. My faith is too important to me to leave because of what a few “imperfect” men did.
As far as my political leanings, I was a Democrat until Reagan and everyone in my large family including my father and Grandparents, were Democrats. That was back in the 40’s and 50’s and that party no longer exists, the party of Kennedy and Truman. There is not a single family member that is now a Democrat, they are all registered Republicans. That doesn’t mean the Republicans are perfect, certainly not. But they do stand for freedom and creating an environment where we can be the best we can be, not to do it for us. What we become is up to us, not the government.
We will never be the Utopian society that most Democrats believe we should be. That has been true since the beginning of time and will continue. When Jesus came to save mankind, even he was betrayed by his own and crucified. There is no such thing as a perfect society and no government will ever achieve that. They are sinners as the rest of us are and probably worse because of the power that they yield.
I, like you, like cetain things about Obama. He is smart, a great speaker and seems to hold no racism toward whites as many blacks do. Part of that may be because his mother is white and raised him to be neutral. He is certainly a better choice than Hillary but he is a Socialist by all accounts. We are not a Socialistic country but seem to be leaning that way. America has it’s problems to be sure, but it is also the greatest country on the face of the earth. We feed and help more poor countries then any other and yet many countries and many of our own people hate us for doing what we do. Jealousy is alive and thriving all over the world. If you have noticed, they hate us until they need us. If we weren’t the great country we are, even with our many problems, people from all over the world would not be coming here in the numbers they are. I also don’t see too many leaving this country.
I only ask that you think about what I have said. Randy and I are very concerned about the future of our country, as you are!
Thank’s for the comment!

By: teaparty51

teaparty51 — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:00:17 +0000

I watched the interview on Fox with Obama, and my impression was very different than yours. I thought he did OK, I also feel some concern about his 20 years at the church, and not a hint of any comments like this from his pastor he was aware of. I too was shocked when I saw all the video footage of his pastor, and I do not condone or excuse any of it in any way. However, after the shock wore off a bit, and I saw and read Obama’s responses, I must say, in spite of everything, it was a more honest response than Hillary Clinton would ever be capable of. And it did make me consider the Christian religion as it is being taught today, in context with what the scriptures say. I went to Parochial school my first 8 years, and have attended church the first 35 years of my life. Nowhere in the bible does it say to celebrate Christmas, it is really a Pagan holiday holdover adopted by Christianity that celebrates the Winter Solstice. Easter , Easter Eggs, Easter Bunny are not mentioned as a celebration in the Bible either, this is the Pagan Holiday for the Spring Equinox adapted by Christianity. Barrack’s church seems radical, but so are most of mainstream Christian TV preachers and their churches. Some common and accepted themes we as white, Bible believing folk accept from these mainstream churches include, Rev Fallwells assertion that 911 was a result of Gods wrath on America for all the abortions, as well as other big name see ‘em every Sunday morning on TV types who claim God has punished New Orleans for Homosexual behaviour, that God created America for the express purpose of identifying Islam as the work of Satan and his spirits, and America’s purpose is to identify and destroy from the Earth this work of the Devil. The supposed Biblical theory that the more money you give to these TV “churches”, the more God will bless you with worldly riches, as these accepted mainstream church leaders live in large homes, have the most hypocritical and lavish lifestyles while the widows drop their last mite into the churches money box. My point is that the Bible does not support these perversions of the Gospel and of Gods Holy word. The true Christian faith has been twisted, warped and perverted beyond recognition, and we, right here in America embrace it every day, because if we agree or not with any particular mainstream faith, or teaching, we do not stand against it. We do not feel shock by this, as we have become acclimated to these truley strange and perverse teachings, that are against the true and real and relevant teachings of the Bible. So now, Obama’s Pastor comes along, and his cherry picked reel of preaching highlights, in truth, are no more scary or over the line than many, many mainstream Christian leaders that we gloss over, because their targeted message of perverted teachings are targeted to us white folks, and many embrace and accept them and look to these who spout this as our “leaders”. The same America has sinned concept, except the ones who have sinned to cause the calamity to our country from God are not us, no, no, it is those unbelievers who have caused this and not us. It is the unrighteous who have provoked God and not us, we are the faithful of his church and led by our dear Pastor who perverts Gods very teachings, and we say to Jesus, Lord, Lord, and He knows us not!! Obama’s pastor is only another version of the same theme, tailored to those who are in reality the very same as we are. They really have been oppressed as a people, and this is reality, a result and the price of slavery. America above all in history, deserves honor, respect, and credit She doesn’t receive for ending slavery and starting on the road to doing what is right, trying to fulfill the whole promise of Her inception. So, really, Obama’s church is NOT shocking, but expected. It is a cultural offshoot of out very own concept and teaching of Christianity, twisted and tailored to fit the need and reflect the feelings of their segment or the population. America has come a long way, and has far to go, Americans can’t seem to face the facts that we, as a nation, have wronged many people, and have lifted up many people, all at the same time. Remember the American Indians? Our American Government gave them blankets with Smallpox, yes, our very government, just as any person, has committed both terrible and wonderful things. This causes me to put the whole issue of this whole Obama Pastor issue into perspective, as Jesus said, “By their fruits you shall know them”. Barrack Obama has conducted himself thought this campaign with more dignity and respect for his opponents, and taken the high road even when the whole “kitchen sink” has been thrown at him than Hillary Clinton could ever muster. This man has, and continues to spread a message of hope, trying to bring people together rather than tear them down, whatever else he as a Human has done, these are his fruits. We as a Nation need to confront the issues at hand and bring together and try to heal this country, nothing that Barrack Obama has said or done can take away the fruits that he stands for. Even the words of his pastor. He is to be judged by the American people by the “fruits” of his words and deeds. I will continue to support Barrack Obama. The fruits of the two other Presidential contenders, not what they say but what they do, dictate that I must. It is time to stop being phoney Patriots and be real Patriots, and focus on the future of our country, and I believe that Obama is the best choice to be our next President. I was a conservative for 20 years, voted for Reagan twice. We need to get away from the Bush policies, and even Conservatives don’t like McCain. Obama and his message are the best of the three contenders, and I sense no hatred for America in this man.

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